Cardinals need a Holliday

by on November 10, 2008 · 7 comments

Ed. Note: My apologies to PH8 contributor StLCards, who put this post up a few days ago, and I didn’t even realize it was here.  Please read below.


Last week amidst all the Jake Peavy rumblings I came across a headline that basically indicated the Rockies were now ready to accept less for Holliday. I instantly started writing a post, but unfortunately by the end of a busy work day that post was left unfinished, so I will start anew.

Today I see many headlines indicating a few things, among them that Peavy is almost certainly going to be moved “The train has kind of left the station”, that Manny is still in play, that Cashman is pursuing pitching, that CC is still available, etc. The teams with the big money, ie Yankees, Cubs, Dodgers, Angels, seem to be pursuing pitching. I’m not sure what the Red Sox are doing right now, although they seem to be pursuing pitching as well in Lowe and japan free agent Junichi Tazawa. What this says to me is, STRIKE NOW for Holliday!

The Rockies want to trade Holliday, Atkins, and Fuentes. That would actually make a nice trio to add if you think about, although the key is to for sure get Holliday. Holliday only has 1 year so we would need to make sure he really wants to stay a Cardinal and get him signed to a quick extension. He would provide an everyday left fielder (Duncan would strictly back up Pujols and be a pinch hitter), provide the much needed protection for Pujols, and would be a huge draw for fans. I’ve dreamed of the day when the Cardinals had a 1-2 punch like that.

Taking a look at the other two Fuentes needs no explanation. Atkins on the other hand, well, we move the versatile Glaus to SS and put Atkins at 3rd. We then sign Orlando Hudson to play 2nd, or how about forgetting infield speed althogether and signing veteran Jeff Kent? How about a lineup of Schumaker, Rasmus, Pujols, Holliday, Glaus, Molina, Kent, Pitcher, Atkins? Wow, do I ever like the sound of that. Kent isn’t an everyday player and Glaus could use some time off as well, so it gives lots of playing time for whichever MI are left. Ludwick and Ankiel and Duncan or whoever else could be traded away. That could be too much money but if they could get something along those lines I’d be very happy. We still have Lopez that can play a variety of positions so Atkins isn’t a requirement to get, and either a power hitting 2B or speed 2B could work. Lots of possibilities once we add Holliday.

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PHE November 10, 2008

Kirk – first, my sincere apologies for not seeing that this was up to be posted. Usually I get an e-mail…not sure what happened this time.

As for your ideas (and I realize my lack of attention seems to have rendered these thoughts past tense, with Holliday apparently going to Oakland) – I am with you. Totally on board with having taken a shot at Holliday.

Here’s the problem – I think the Rockies kept saying they would take X package, but then tried to up the ante Y.

Mo stated today that he was dissatisfied with the negotiation/leaking tactics used by the Rockies.

Couple of other notes – Fuentes is a free agent, I don’t envision the Cards giving him his asking price. Felipe Lopez is also a free agent who for whatever reason, the Cards don’t feel like re-upping.

Finally, I doubt Glaus is on anyone’s mind as a shortstop. There were significant questions about his defense at 3B when he came over, much less SS. I think the grass had a big impact on his ability to flash some leather at third, but I wouldn’t move that big body to short.

chetthejet November 10, 2008

Holliday gone, but Fuentes remains. I would hope to see most current Cards remain in STL. To me, there’s nothing wrong with Skip and Felipe. I would go for LHP relief first, start rotation second, middle/inf impact bat third. It still looks as if the Cards are willing to deal Luddy, unless that just all the media looking for a deal to occur.

PHE November 11, 2008

I’d be very surprised if the Cards would pony up for the years and the cash Fuentes supposedly desires.

Schumaker is fine as status quo, but I think it’s safe to argue they could upgrade his spot in the lineup. My only beef with replacing him is that you lose a ‘leadoff-type’ hitter. Not saying Schu is a dead-on leadoff guy, but he fits the mold better than anyone else on the current Cards roster.

I think the Cardinals would happily keep Ludwick and his cost-controlled salary, on the assumption he can replicate 2008. But at the same time, they’d be foolish not to listen to offers on him. I don’t expect Luddy to be moved for the sake of moving him – if it’s for a Holliday-type, hell yes he’s available.

StLCards November 12, 2008

I can’t begin to express how upset I am at the Cards not getting Holliday. So far all we have is subtraction. Are we destined to go the way of a reclamation project for both SS and 2B? Are we going to once again wait and see what we can get after all the big name trading is over with? Are we just going to ignore Tony’s plea for an ‘impact bat’?

Right now we still have too many OF’s and not enough infielders or pitchers. To me it is an easy decision to trade multiple OFs for an upgrade somewhere. Maybe they should try going for Brian Roberts? That would be a huge addition. I’m guessing that they aren’t even seriously considering a run at Roberts if the Cubs couldn’t get him last year. Possibly that means Orlando Hudson could be the target for 2B. More likely they’ll go after someone like Scott Hairston, Jr. who should become a FA Friday. I really wouldn’t mind seeing them try to swing a deal for Robinson Cano who is reportedly on the block with the Yankees.

PHE November 12, 2008

I’m choosing to reserve judgement until after the Winter Meetings, but something needs to be done if the Cards hope to compete this season (not to mention keep Pujols happy!).

Trevor Hoffman on the radar?

StLCards November 14, 2008

I think Hoffman would have to come at a very good price before the Cards could take a chance. Seems to be some concern about what he has left in the tank.

On the other hand, I see the Cubs have now signed Gregg from FL.

I’m starting to get the feeling now that our ‘new’ closer is going to be none other than Izzy. He’ll probably sign a deal favorable to the Cards when no other teams express serious interest.

PHE November 14, 2008

Yeah, even with Kerry Wood now available, I am still leaning toward Chris Perez.

Hoffman not much left, methinks. Wood is going to want a big multi-year deal that I’m not sure is worth it, given his injury history. Izzy isn’t the answer, certainly, but I could see him coming back on an incentive-laden deal to be a mid-relief guy.

Who knows?

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