Comments on: Braden Looper: To sign or not to sign? http://www.pitchershiteighth.com/2008/09/26/braden-looper-to-sign-or-not-to-sign/ An Unofficial St. Louis Cardinals baseball blog. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:15:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jon Garland versus Braden Looper | Pitchers Hit Eighth :: A St Louis Cardinals blog http://www.pitchershiteighth.com/2008/09/26/braden-looper-to-sign-or-not-to-sign/#comment-2270 Jon Garland versus Braden Looper | Pitchers Hit Eighth :: A St Louis Cardinals blog Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:14:56 +0000 http://www.pitchershiteighth.com/?p=303#comment-2270 [...] for some reason, I had in my brain that Garland would come cheaper than Looper - I had Looper pegged for a Jeff Suppan-type deal, and surely Garland wouldn’t be more than $10mm per season, [...] [...] for some reason, I had in my brain that Garland would come cheaper than Looper – I had Looper pegged for a Jeff Suppan-type deal, and surely Garland wouldn’t be more than $10mm per season, [...]

]]> By: PHE http://www.pitchershiteighth.com/2008/09/26/braden-looper-to-sign-or-not-to-sign/#comment-692 PHE Sun, 05 Oct 2008 21:27:14 +0000 http://www.pitchershiteighth.com/?p=303#comment-692 Suppan didn't fare so well today. Brewers are out. Suppan didn’t fare so well today. Brewers are out.

]]> By: StLCards http://www.pitchershiteighth.com/2008/09/26/braden-looper-to-sign-or-not-to-sign/#comment-689 StLCards Sun, 05 Oct 2008 05:53:21 +0000 http://www.pitchershiteighth.com/?p=303#comment-689 I was going to say that Suppan earned his money tonight and then realized it was Bush that started and won the game. We'll see on Sunday whether the Suppan signing could still work out for the Brew Crew. Certainly will be interesting to see how he does. At least he's been there before. I was going to say that Suppan earned his money tonight and then realized it was Bush that started and won the game. We’ll see on Sunday whether the Suppan signing could still work out for the Brew Crew.

Certainly will be interesting to see how he does. At least he’s been there before.

]]> By: PHE http://www.pitchershiteighth.com/2008/09/26/braden-looper-to-sign-or-not-to-sign/#comment-665 PHE Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:04:06 +0000 http://www.pitchershiteighth.com/?p=303#comment-665 Right, I meant how well has Suppan's deal worked out - the Brewers probably wish they could have that one back. I think Soup's panache is his ability to eat up innings, very similar to Lohse. Again, market demand for starting pitching is just nuts to begin with. Right, I meant how well has Suppan’s deal worked out – the Brewers probably wish they could have that one back.

I think Soup’s panache is his ability to eat up innings, very similar to Lohse. Again, market demand for starting pitching is just nuts to begin with.

]]> By: StLCards http://www.pitchershiteighth.com/2008/09/26/braden-looper-to-sign-or-not-to-sign/#comment-663 StLCards Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:43:23 +0000 http://www.pitchershiteighth.com/?p=303#comment-663 Actually it worked out quite well for Suppan, not so good for the Brewers maybe, but then again, they are in the playoffs and Suppan is scheduled to pitch Saturday vs Moyer, so I think the jury is still out on that one. They got him for his ability to win the big game in the playoffs and his expierence to help the younger pitchers. Actually it worked out quite well for Suppan, not so good for the Brewers maybe, but then again, they are in the playoffs and Suppan is scheduled to pitch Saturday vs Moyer, so I think the jury is still out on that one. They got him for his ability to win the big game in the playoffs and his expierence to help the younger pitchers.

]]> By: PHE http://www.pitchershiteighth.com/2008/09/26/braden-looper-to-sign-or-not-to-sign/#comment-660 PHE Thu, 02 Oct 2008 04:58:39 +0000 http://www.pitchershiteighth.com/?p=303#comment-660 Heh, I shouldn't re-read my own stuff... "That means there are two spots to fill, because I will go ahead and pretty much guarantee you that John Mozeliak is not going to pay what Scott Boras wants for Kyle Lohse after the Cards resurrected his career in 2008." Heh, I shouldn’t re-read my own stuff…

“That means there are two spots to fill, because I will go ahead and pretty much guarantee you that John Mozeliak is not going to pay what Scott Boras wants for Kyle Lohse after the Cards resurrected his career in 2008.”

]]> By: PHE http://www.pitchershiteighth.com/2008/09/26/braden-looper-to-sign-or-not-to-sign/#comment-659 PHE Thu, 02 Oct 2008 04:56:28 +0000 http://www.pitchershiteighth.com/?p=303#comment-659 I'll give you that to some extent. But to argue just a bit, how has that worked out for Suppan? I’ll give you that to some extent.

But to argue just a bit, how has that worked out for Suppan?

]]> By: StLCards http://www.pitchershiteighth.com/2008/09/26/braden-looper-to-sign-or-not-to-sign/#comment-658 StLCards Thu, 02 Oct 2008 04:50:55 +0000 http://www.pitchershiteighth.com/?p=303#comment-658 One difference I see between two players you've mentioned (Suppan and Lowe) and Lohse, is that they were both starting pitchers on World Series Championship teams and were clutch pitchers ni big games. Hopefully Lohse will get his chances to shine as a starter on a WS team soon :) The point is that players coming off a WS championship typically get paid more than they would have otherwise, because now they are proven commodities in big game situations. One difference I see between two players you’ve mentioned (Suppan and Lowe) and Lohse, is that they were both starting pitchers on World Series Championship teams and were clutch pitchers ni big games.

Hopefully Lohse will get his chances to shine as a starter on a WS team soon :) The point is that players coming off a WS championship typically get paid more than they would have otherwise, because now they are proven commodities in big game situations.

]]> By: PHE http://www.pitchershiteighth.com/2008/09/26/braden-looper-to-sign-or-not-to-sign/#comment-656 PHE Thu, 02 Oct 2008 04:28:55 +0000 http://www.pitchershiteighth.com/?p=303#comment-656 Um - also, Lowe is merely 6 years older than Lohse. Um – also, Lowe is merely 6 years older than Lohse.

]]> By: PHE http://www.pitchershiteighth.com/2008/09/26/braden-looper-to-sign-or-not-to-sign/#comment-655 PHE Thu, 02 Oct 2008 04:26:17 +0000 http://www.pitchershiteighth.com/?p=303#comment-655 I think Lowe will find a similar deal, if not more money. I have to believe that Lohse's willingness to accept a fairly back-loaded deal had an impact on his overall value to Mozeliak. I think Lowe will find a similar deal, if not more money. I have to believe that Lohse’s willingness to accept a fairly back-loaded deal had an impact on his overall value to Mozeliak.

]]> By: StLCards http://www.pitchershiteighth.com/2008/09/26/braden-looper-to-sign-or-not-to-sign/#comment-653 StLCards Thu, 02 Oct 2008 03:58:17 +0000 http://www.pitchershiteighth.com/?p=303#comment-653 A full no trade clause for Lohse? and for 4 whole years? Not even a 4th year option? ugh. I don't like that at all. Couldn't we have signed someone like Lowe for 4 years without a no trade clause for just a little bit more money? I mean, I like Lohse, but look at his second half. And the year before nobody at all would sign him as a free agent. And now he gets a 4year contract with full no trade protection? Sure hope he works out! A full no trade clause for Lohse? and for 4 whole years? Not even a 4th year option? ugh. I don’t like that at all.

Couldn’t we have signed someone like Lowe for 4 years without a no trade clause for just a little bit more money?

I mean, I like Lohse, but look at his second half. And the year before nobody at all would sign him as a free agent. And now he gets a 4year contract with full no trade protection?

Sure hope he works out!

]]> By: PHE http://www.pitchershiteighth.com/2008/09/26/braden-looper-to-sign-or-not-to-sign/#comment-644 PHE Wed, 01 Oct 2008 00:35:27 +0000 http://www.pitchershiteighth.com/?p=303#comment-644 I think I might be the only Cardinal fan playing 'wait and see' with the Lohse move. I have to believe that for the Cards to commit that kind of money (and a no-trade to boot), they think Duncan/Lohse can repeat 2008. That would be plenty worth what they are scheduled to pay him. I'm beginning to believe more and more in this club's chances to land Brian Fuentes. I think that would be a great step at improving the club, in more ways than one. I think I might be the only Cardinal fan playing ‘wait and see’ with the Lohse move. I have to believe that for the Cards to commit that kind of money (and a no-trade to boot), they think Duncan/Lohse can repeat 2008. That would be plenty worth what they are scheduled to pay him.

I’m beginning to believe more and more in this club’s chances to land Brian Fuentes. I think that would be a great step at improving the club, in more ways than one.

]]> By: Sarah-bug http://www.pitchershiteighth.com/2008/09/26/braden-looper-to-sign-or-not-to-sign/#comment-643 Sarah-bug Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:30:58 +0000 http://www.pitchershiteighth.com/?p=303#comment-643 Oh, you're so right. A healthy Wainwright and we're selling playoff tickets. I just keep having this horrible nightmare of a repeat of this year, and until Moze makes some more big moves, I'll continue waking up in a cold sweat. I guess I should focus more of my telepathic energy on getting him to shake up the 'pen. 'Cause just like Wainwright could've made a huge difference, a stable bullpen finishing off the games would have gotten us there too. Oh, you’re so right. A healthy Wainwright and we’re selling playoff tickets. I just keep having this horrible nightmare of a repeat of this year, and until Moze makes some more big moves, I’ll continue waking up in a cold sweat.
I guess I should focus more of my telepathic energy on getting him to shake up the ‘pen.
‘Cause just like Wainwright could’ve made a huge difference, a stable bullpen finishing off the games would have gotten us there too.

]]> By: PHE http://www.pitchershiteighth.com/2008/09/26/braden-looper-to-sign-or-not-to-sign/#comment-642 PHE Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:07:52 +0000 http://www.pitchershiteighth.com/?p=303#comment-642 Also, take into account (hopefully) a full season from Waino when evaluating the starting rotation. I firmly believe his presence would've meant a much different outcome for the Cards this season. Also, take into account (hopefully) a full season from Waino when evaluating the starting rotation. I firmly believe his presence would’ve meant a much different outcome for the Cards this season.

]]> By: PHE http://www.pitchershiteighth.com/2008/09/26/braden-looper-to-sign-or-not-to-sign/#comment-641 PHE Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:07:04 +0000 http://www.pitchershiteighth.com/?p=303#comment-641 Wellemeyer won't make it to arbitration. Mozeliak can't be that stupid. Unfortunately, it appears they're counting pretty heavily on Carp at this point. Could you imagine what might happen if Mang decided to go in and get that elbow worked on this off-season? Wellemeyer won’t make it to arbitration. Mozeliak can’t be that stupid.

Unfortunately, it appears they’re counting pretty heavily on Carp at this point.

Could you imagine what might happen if Mang decided to go in and get that elbow worked on this off-season?

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